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	<title>Comments on: Flat Earth Fundraising: Ice Cream Murder And Donor Loyalty</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin MacDonell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin MacDonell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent clarification. The purview of predictive modeling in fundraising is NOT the whole picture -- you&#039;re quite right. So, what&#039;s the big picture in higher education fundraising (which is what I know)? What are the causative agents that bring an alumnus/na to give to alma mater? Now we&#039;re talking big picture! Looming largest, probably, is student experience: having made lifelong friends, having been involved in campus social life via societies and sports and parties, having had excellent professors and mentorship opportunities, having the lasting impression that one&#039;s degree has been a worthwhile achievement in terms of career as well as memories ... In Annual Fund, we do well to evoke the emotions associated with the memory of one&#039;s student life (particularly undergraduate student life) rather than toot our horn in more abstract ways that fail to connect on an emotional level. So is messaging important? Yes, and lets do our testing to see what works best. But let&#039;s not flatter ourselves by thinking that our message has somehow &quot;caused&quot; people to give. We&#039;re just tapping into a vein of feeling that was already there.

Should we explore causation? Well, the few fundraising shops with the resources to properly conduct that kind of experimental research should go for it. But I think they&#039;ll find the underlying causes (such as student experience, and institutional reputation) are well outside their purview. Better that every part of the university -- from admissions to the registrar&#039;s office to student services to the faculty -- understand that they are all partly responsible for the future financial health of the institution, to the extent that it relies on the support of alumni who found their time in university worthwhile and rewarding. 

In the meantime, I see fundraisers obsessing over whether to use postage on return envelopes, obsessing over comma placement in letters, and on and on. Sure, that&#039;s what they control (institutional reputation? not so much), but I think that time would be better spent figuring out who among our alumni have indicators of affinity but may not have expressed that affinity through giving yet.

That&#039;s higher ed. The non-higher ed world, which I cannot speak to, may be very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent clarification. The purview of predictive modeling in fundraising is NOT the whole picture &#8212; you&#8217;re quite right. So, what&#8217;s the big picture in higher education fundraising (which is what I know)? What are the causative agents that bring an alumnus/na to give to alma mater? Now we&#8217;re talking big picture! Looming largest, probably, is student experience: having made lifelong friends, having been involved in campus social life via societies and sports and parties, having had excellent professors and mentorship opportunities, having the lasting impression that one&#8217;s degree has been a worthwhile achievement in terms of career as well as memories &#8230; In Annual Fund, we do well to evoke the emotions associated with the memory of one&#8217;s student life (particularly undergraduate student life) rather than toot our horn in more abstract ways that fail to connect on an emotional level. So is messaging important? Yes, and lets do our testing to see what works best. But let&#8217;s not flatter ourselves by thinking that our message has somehow &#8220;caused&#8221; people to give. We&#8217;re just tapping into a vein of feeling that was already there.</p>
<p>Should we explore causation? Well, the few fundraising shops with the resources to properly conduct that kind of experimental research should go for it. But I think they&#8217;ll find the underlying causes (such as student experience, and institutional reputation) are well outside their purview. Better that every part of the university &#8212; from admissions to the registrar&#8217;s office to student services to the faculty &#8212; understand that they are all partly responsible for the future financial health of the institution, to the extent that it relies on the support of alumni who found their time in university worthwhile and rewarding. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I see fundraisers obsessing over whether to use postage on return envelopes, obsessing over comma placement in letters, and on and on. Sure, that&#8217;s what they control (institutional reputation? not so much), but I think that time would be better spent figuring out who among our alumni have indicators of affinity but may not have expressed that affinity through giving yet.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s higher ed. The non-higher ed world, which I cannot speak to, may be very different.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Craver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Craver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Agitator is nothing if not about making bold assertions and shaking things up.  However we firmly believe it is done with evidence on our side.  Sometimes, it does however require clarification so let me attempt to do that here.
 
We believe firmly in the need for the fundraising industry to get far more sophisticated in its targeting efforts, using predictive models, external data and yes, affinity markers or proxies.  However, we also believe the industry needs to get much more serious about MAKING more good donors to augment more sophisticated targeting. 

Kevin, in his comments, is 100% right when he says predictive modelers are not concerned with causation.  They deal with the world as it is served up to them and what non-profits need to focus on  is changing that world.  Good donors are not born, they are created,  but behavior based approaches alone will NEVER do a good job at CREATION, hence the dreadful retention rates.
 
Today’s 0 to 12 month donor is tomorrow’s 13 month plus donor.  Using affinity markers or other behavior based proxies (beyond RFM variables) to get better at targeting those in the 13 plus who are “worthy” of being pulled back into 0 to 12 “status” is worthwhile but it is also a losing battle if not seriously bolstered with far more understanding of CAUSE and the confounding variables. 
 
This is being done on a large scale by our commercial brethren who, in addition to spending oodles and oodles of money on data mining (which we support) also dedicate huge sums to brand building, customer service and relationship building. 
 
More specifically, the confounding variable of “engagement” (we prefer to call it Commitment) can not only be defined and measured but managed by the non-profit to MAKE more good donors.   

So, where we take issue with the comments to this post  is twofold: 1)  this is very doable and needs to be done.  That it is not yet being done in any meaningful way in this sector only bolsters the argument.  2)  we would argue the exact opposite of Kevin’s assertion that as non profits “we overestimate our ability to sway potential donors via our messages”.  If the sector truly believes this then it is forever lost and we need to clean house.  Seriously.
 
We know as well as anybody that targeting is the number one “variable” to dictate response on appeals – more so than the message.  So yes, better targeting equals better response and more effort should be focused there.  However, one CANNOT simply target his/her way to long term fiscal prosperity.  The vast majority of donors attrite, they have negative lifetime values and the leaky bucket gets leakier and leakier all the time.   This industry has been taking in its own laundry for too long and the tipping point is already upon us.
 
Let us also be clear, the case for putting resources towards “making more good donors” (i.e. educating, persuading, motivating and relationship building) need not be some soft, fuzzy, just-believe concept.  It can be done with financial projections and metrics just as rigorous as the campaign and behavior based ones we are so familiar with in the lead generation business now called fundraising. 
 
Thank you all for your comments and discussion on this critically important subject.

Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Agitator is nothing if not about making bold assertions and shaking things up.  However we firmly believe it is done with evidence on our side.  Sometimes, it does however require clarification so let me attempt to do that here.</p>
<p>We believe firmly in the need for the fundraising industry to get far more sophisticated in its targeting efforts, using predictive models, external data and yes, affinity markers or proxies.  However, we also believe the industry needs to get much more serious about MAKING more good donors to augment more sophisticated targeting. </p>
<p>Kevin, in his comments, is 100% right when he says predictive modelers are not concerned with causation.  They deal with the world as it is served up to them and what non-profits need to focus on  is changing that world.  Good donors are not born, they are created,  but behavior based approaches alone will NEVER do a good job at CREATION, hence the dreadful retention rates.</p>
<p>Today’s 0 to 12 month donor is tomorrow’s 13 month plus donor.  Using affinity markers or other behavior based proxies (beyond RFM variables) to get better at targeting those in the 13 plus who are “worthy” of being pulled back into 0 to 12 “status” is worthwhile but it is also a losing battle if not seriously bolstered with far more understanding of CAUSE and the confounding variables. </p>
<p>This is being done on a large scale by our commercial brethren who, in addition to spending oodles and oodles of money on data mining (which we support) also dedicate huge sums to brand building, customer service and relationship building. </p>
<p>More specifically, the confounding variable of “engagement” (we prefer to call it Commitment) can not only be defined and measured but managed by the non-profit to MAKE more good donors.   </p>
<p>So, where we take issue with the comments to this post  is twofold: 1)  this is very doable and needs to be done.  That it is not yet being done in any meaningful way in this sector only bolsters the argument.  2)  we would argue the exact opposite of Kevin’s assertion that as non profits “we overestimate our ability to sway potential donors via our messages”.  If the sector truly believes this then it is forever lost and we need to clean house.  Seriously.</p>
<p>We know as well as anybody that targeting is the number one “variable” to dictate response on appeals – more so than the message.  So yes, better targeting equals better response and more effort should be focused there.  However, one CANNOT simply target his/her way to long term fiscal prosperity.  The vast majority of donors attrite, they have negative lifetime values and the leaky bucket gets leakier and leakier all the time.   This industry has been taking in its own laundry for too long and the tipping point is already upon us.</p>
<p>Let us also be clear, the case for putting resources towards “making more good donors” (i.e. educating, persuading, motivating and relationship building) need not be some soft, fuzzy, just-believe concept.  It can be done with financial projections and metrics just as rigorous as the campaign and behavior based ones we are so familiar with in the lead generation business now called fundraising. </p>
<p>Thank you all for your comments and discussion on this critically important subject.</p>
<p>Roger</p>
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		<title>By: Peter wylie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter wylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 07:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every now and then it&#039;s probably good to make assertions that contradict hard evidence. It DOES get people talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every now and then it&#8217;s probably good to make assertions that contradict hard evidence. It DOES get people talking.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste Bannon Waterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste Bannon Waterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roger, 

Some great points, and I agree wholehearedly with your point about mistaking correlation for causation, but like Kevin I disagree with the implication that we shouldn&#039;t use these indications for analysis because there may be confounding factors.

The reality is that in many situations we don&#039;t have access to these confounding variables - such as a independent measurement of engagement - so we look to other variables to stand in for them.  Insteading of confounding, the variables are proxies for what we want to measure.  To use your ice cream and murder example, if I want to predict murders, and I don&#039;t have temperature records accessible I may then look to ice cream sales as a proxy variable to stand in for it. I could predict murder rates based on ice cream sales (although I&#039;m not saying you should).  An example I often use is the Google fluwatch system, where they use searches on flu symptoms to predict outbreaks.  The flu itself is the cause, but all we have to measure is people&#039;s behaviour in response.

Thanks for the post to get us talking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger, </p>
<p>Some great points, and I agree wholehearedly with your point about mistaking correlation for causation, but like Kevin I disagree with the implication that we shouldn&#8217;t use these indications for analysis because there may be confounding factors.</p>
<p>The reality is that in many situations we don&#8217;t have access to these confounding variables &#8211; such as a independent measurement of engagement &#8211; so we look to other variables to stand in for them.  Insteading of confounding, the variables are proxies for what we want to measure.  To use your ice cream and murder example, if I want to predict murders, and I don&#8217;t have temperature records accessible I may then look to ice cream sales as a proxy variable to stand in for it. I could predict murder rates based on ice cream sales (although I&#8217;m not saying you should).  An example I often use is the Google fluwatch system, where they use searches on flu symptoms to predict outbreaks.  The flu itself is the cause, but all we have to measure is people&#8217;s behaviour in response.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post to get us talking!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin MacDonell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin MacDonell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points here, but I have serious concerns about some of your conclusions. Very few fundraisers, in fact, go to the trouble of analyzing donor behaviour (in the form of affinity-based activities such as sending in changes of address and engaging with the organization online), and I&#039;m not sure why you think this is an &quot;old, bad habit.&quot; I wish they WOULD make more frequent study of these things! I&#039;m not sure how to interpret your assertion that there&#039;s no proof that &quot;the more online activity donors participate in, the greater the likelihood that they’ll be better, more committed donors.&quot; I would agree with you that &quot;proof&quot; may be lacking, but only because &quot;proof&quot; is contingent on the unique realities of each institution&#039;s own constituency. It&#039;s human behaviour, not physics -- there is no universal law we can prove or disprove. But if you claim there&#039;s no connection, I cannot agree with you. There is ample evidence available that affinity-based behaviours are predictive of giving. (I&#039;ve published a number of papers on my blog that support that.) You are quite right in saying that correlation is not causation, but data miners and predictive modelers are less concerned with causation than they are with the predictive power of correlation and association. The &quot;confounding variable&quot; you speak of is engagement and affinity itself, which may not be directly measurable but which manifests itself in a variety of ways that ARE detectable and measurable. Where I totally agree with you is that we are prone to make a lot of mistakes when it comes to thinking about causation, as if we only need to collect someone&#039;s email in order to make them more likely to give -- that is, of course, absurd! Where you lose me is when you insist that if a variable isn&#039;t causal, then it must be worthless. Nothing could be further from the truth. Private-sector companies in data-rich industries (especially online) pay very close attention to customer behaviour; the ones that don&#039;t probably aren&#039;t very profitable. We in the nonprofit sector waste an awful lot of time and money attempting to convert prospects who are not engaged and never will be, and failing to focus our energies on the highly engaged. I think we overestimate our ability to sway potential donors via our messages, and underestimate the extent to which affinity (expressed in behaviour) determines support. Choosing to ignore signals of affinity (or the lack of such signals) is irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points here, but I have serious concerns about some of your conclusions. Very few fundraisers, in fact, go to the trouble of analyzing donor behaviour (in the form of affinity-based activities such as sending in changes of address and engaging with the organization online), and I&#8217;m not sure why you think this is an &#8220;old, bad habit.&#8221; I wish they WOULD make more frequent study of these things! I&#8217;m not sure how to interpret your assertion that there&#8217;s no proof that &#8220;the more online activity donors participate in, the greater the likelihood that they’ll be better, more committed donors.&#8221; I would agree with you that &#8220;proof&#8221; may be lacking, but only because &#8220;proof&#8221; is contingent on the unique realities of each institution&#8217;s own constituency. It&#8217;s human behaviour, not physics &#8212; there is no universal law we can prove or disprove. But if you claim there&#8217;s no connection, I cannot agree with you. There is ample evidence available that affinity-based behaviours are predictive of giving. (I&#8217;ve published a number of papers on my blog that support that.) You are quite right in saying that correlation is not causation, but data miners and predictive modelers are less concerned with causation than they are with the predictive power of correlation and association. The &#8220;confounding variable&#8221; you speak of is engagement and affinity itself, which may not be directly measurable but which manifests itself in a variety of ways that ARE detectable and measurable. Where I totally agree with you is that we are prone to make a lot of mistakes when it comes to thinking about causation, as if we only need to collect someone&#8217;s email in order to make them more likely to give &#8212; that is, of course, absurd! Where you lose me is when you insist that if a variable isn&#8217;t causal, then it must be worthless. Nothing could be further from the truth. Private-sector companies in data-rich industries (especially online) pay very close attention to customer behaviour; the ones that don&#8217;t probably aren&#8217;t very profitable. We in the nonprofit sector waste an awful lot of time and money attempting to convert prospects who are not engaged and never will be, and failing to focus our energies on the highly engaged. I think we overestimate our ability to sway potential donors via our messages, and underestimate the extent to which affinity (expressed in behaviour) determines support. Choosing to ignore signals of affinity (or the lack of such signals) is irresponsible.</p>
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